crisis of faith, continued

And the Apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith."
The Lord replied, "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed,
you would say to this mulberry tree,
‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,' and it would obey you."

Luke 17: 5-6

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/110804.htm

 

The many Christians in the US who voted for Bush believe that their faith is vindicated.  I understand that Catholics, who normally are Democrats, and who might have gone for the Catholic candidate Kerry, went in the main for Bush.  These Christians believe that God has answered their prayers and is turning the US into a more moral and godly society.

 

Many of us, Christian pacificists, believe that the opposite is true, that Satan, posing as God, has sadly deceived these Christians and is leading us to hell, with loss of freedom, security, love and prosperity.  More than ever, we must cling to our faith that things will come right in the end.

 

But how hard it is, given the smugness and lack of compassion and understanding of the "moral majority".  God appears to be blessing them with success and power.   How can we deal with this?

 

In the name of the Prince of Peace,   Carol Wolman

 

Fw: John Kaminski: American Sunset...

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Martha Werman Apartment gods - Werman Real Estate

To: cwolman@mcn.org

Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:27 PM

Subject: FW: John Kaminski: American Sunset...

Forgive me - this addles the senses  MW

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American Sunset

"Look, dear! Don't the chemtrails look lovely tonight..."

By John Kaminski
skylax@comcast.net
11-6-4

Oh, the gnashing of teeth, the beating of breasts, the wailings of woe.   Bush and the Republicans stole the election! Big surprise, eh? The neocon Nazis have done nothing but break the law since before they ever took office. You were expecting fair play from them, perchance?   Much as I admire many of my friends who are desperately trying to tell everyone that the exit polls matched the election results in all the states with a paper trail, but didn't in states without one - suspiciously and substantially favoring Bush instead - they all are, to put it politely, whizzing into the wind. Perhaps they hope to find a prosecutor aspiring to career suicide, or maybe a judge who wishes to see his family killed in some kind of odd accident, an inexplicable plane crash, perhaps..   Of course, it is of some substantive concern that the American electoral process has been placed in the hands of partisan corporations, guaranteeing about as much integrity as typical government reports saying antidepressants are good for children, or the feds have no idea who committed the anthrax murders, or corporations should not be held liable for their lethal products because it's bad for business.   Your vote didn't count last time. Why would you expect it would now?   And anyway, here's a more important question.   How, in an election year where the central questions should have been about waging wars based on well-known lies and throwing away the lives of American soldiers chasing phantoms who don't exist - as well as questioning the cynical coverup of the greatest crime in American history, which 3,000 Americans were murdered by these same phantoms .... how could these momentous questions be overshadowed on election day by a relatively irrelevant brouhaha about gay marriage?   In fact, it was because the loyal opposition chose not to mention these issues, but instead participated in the media coverup of these crimes, because in fact there is only one party in this country - the party of the banks. On that level this election was a complete sham. There was no real contest. So why are you so upset about the results of an election in which both candidates were saying the same thing? Hell, it's only too appropriate the results were manipulated, given the insincere similarity of the candidates.   Evil electronic electioneering and deliberately distracting debates are not the top stories of this election.   When all was said and done, your vote didn't really matter because John Kerry essentially agreed with everything Bush had done during his capital-crime-plagued first term. (Capital crimes, as in treason and mass murder.) Kerry promised to INCREASE the war effort in Iraq. He accepts the reality of the cover story of Arab hijackers. He helped write the Patriot Act. Fifteen years ago, he helped cover up the BCCI scandal, another one of the great robberies in American history.   So, why are so many so upset that Republican vote-counting executives stole the election for Bush in Ohio, Florida, Georgia, and God knows where else? We know having Kerry, Bush's fraternity brother, in the White House would have made absolutely no difference in terms of government policy.   So why is everyone so upset that Kerry so quickly conceded, getting himself out that contrived dog-and-pony show as fast as possible? Why is anyone upset that Kerry lost? Nothing would have changed!   Why bother working to overturn an election when success would mean installing a candidate who would do nothing different from the man who won? Now that's what I call a totally futile effort.   No, there is a bigger question than vote fraud, or the manipulation of public opinion by unscrupulous media corporations, or the fact that the two political parties are actually one, and that the loyal opposition seeks only to emulate the party in power rather than oppose it, which means it no longer has a chance of winning anything.   The biggest question of all is about the caliber - and the sanity - of the American people.   The mask is off now.   The lies used to justify the continuing slaughter of innocent people in Iraq fester like an infected scab on the psyche of the American people, who have become so twisted in their pursuit of narcotized tranquility that they are now even cheering the deaths of their own children who come home in boxes we are not allowed to see. How much more insane can it get before blissful blackness will alleviate our misery?   If souls were faces, Americans would gaze into their bathroom mirrors each morning and see their rotting skin covered with oozing sores, putrescent pustules of their suicidal disease caused by their intransigent focus on tormenting trivialities, caused by their willing ignorance of their soldiers - their own children - raping Iraqi children, blowing Iraqi families to bits, then, as their deeds set into their curdled spirits, coming home and hanging themselves in the shattering silence of realizing their own horrified depravity.   Do you have a child in the military?   Chances are fairly good - if he is still alive - he has become a murderer, or a rapist, or that he has become sickened to the point that his life is ruined, which means that your life is ruined, if you have any feelings at all.   This is America 2004. A willing blindness drapes the land like a shroud, where old men beat their war drums and young men say, "hey, this is really cool!" in the millisecond before they lose a limb to a land mine, or frag an unknown family into bleeding bits of twitching protoplasm.   Americans have not only lost their souls into insane religious practices, they've lost their brains as well. What other country on Earth can't even keep track of its own voting process, that offers two candidates who are handpicked androids of the power elite, who both cheerily endorse senseless killing of people already oppressed by enemies invented by the very people who fight them?   I ask again: Do you have a child in the military?   Because if you don't, you will soon. What will you do when your child is drafted into the military and sent to Iraq to kill innocent people for reasons that you know in your heart are lies?   Will you wave your flag, like most Americans do, just as you have dutifully cast your vote?   The election is over. It didn't matter who won. What matters is that America has lost, and Americans eagerly helped her lose, just as Americans eagerly kill people all over the world for reasons that they know are lies. Since both candidates were pursuing the same policies in regard to making unjust war, in this election, Americans voted overwhelmingly - almost 100 percent - to kill their own children for reasons that they know are lies. And kill anyone else within convenient shooting distance.   Long live the empire. Let the killing continue.   Stop whining about the vote. You got exactly what you deserved. A homicidal liar with the weaponry - and the willingness - to kill everyone on the planet.   This is the new American dream, and it's your worst nightmare.   You have only yourself to thank for not paying attention. Have a nice day.       John Kaminski's essays have appeared on hundreds of websites around the world and have been collected into two anthologies. The latest, titled "The Perfect Enemy," is available at http://www.johnkaminski.com/     Comment
>From Scott T Davis
11-6-4   Dear Jeff,   Again, Mr Kaminski hits American society right between their dazed and glazed eyes with his ten pound literary hammer!   American Sunset chronicles the sad level of denial and depravity much of American society has so cleverly been guided to.   I am afraid, though, Mr Kaminski is beating a comatose society in vain. But God Bless him for the effort.     Comment
Alton Raines
11-6-4

I always hate it when I find myself in agreement with Kaminski, but when he's right, he's right. We've got this shitkicker from Texas now for another four years, and very likely the advent of an apocalypse with him. Oh yeah, roll your eyes, Mr. and Mrs. Bush supporter, but you have been so psychologically hijacked and hoodwinked by the NeoCon conspiracy... nay, the NeoCon VIRUS, injected into the American bloodstream on 911, that you can't see straight. You can't see anything but war for peace, anymore. There are no other answers for you. You've made a compact with death and hell. It's a black and white reality all the way. We have our warlord, our grand leader in the "war on terra" and I have no doubts he will take us to ever new heights of bloodshed and imperialism throughout the mideast, in the name of 'democracy.' So sick and so ill is our nation that we have precisely the leader we deserve, and God truly help us all. It's going to be a dark, dark ride.

crisis of faith

Pray... that we may be delivered from perverse and wicked people,
for not all have faith.
But the Lord is faithful.

2 Thessalonians 3: 1-2

http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/110704.htm

 

Dear Friends,

 

What sort of God allows liars and thieves to use His name while grabbing the reins of the planet's only superpower?  What sort of God allows purveyors of hatred and fear to convince His worshippers to follow them?   What sort of God allows His precious creation to be put in jeopardy by a bunch of greedy madmen?

 

All I can do is keep on praying.

 

In the name of the Prince of Peace,   Carol Wolman

Questions about Kerry

I have a lot of questions about the Kerry campaign.  First and foremost, why didn't Kerry demand recounts, for instance in heavily Democratic counties in Florida that gave big majorities to Bush?  His campaign collected a lot of money for that purpose- where is it?  What is it being used for?  Shouldn't it go to Black Box voting, which is filing massive freedom of information lawsuits to get records on the election process, in Florida, Ohio, and New Mexico, and perhaps others?

 

Second, why did Kerry pull his punches during the campaign?   Why didn't he make an issue out of the obvious wiring, totally illegal, that Bush brought into the debates?  Why didn't he ever bring up Abu Ghraib?  Or the outing of Valerie Plame, or the failure to really investigate 9-11?  

 

Why is Kerry now calling for unity, instead of leading the much-needed opposition?  What sort of backroom deals are going on now?

 

In the name of the God of truth,   Carol Wolman

Fw: Election counts from Florida

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Thinkcivic@aol.com

To: Thinkcivic@aol.com

Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:33 AM

Subject: Election counts: What do you make of these numbers?

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Take a look at these results from Florida. These are not credible.

Example - Baker County

This is a county with 7-2 advantage of Dems registered over Republicans and that typically goes 7-2 Democratic. The county supposedly had a phenomenal 77% turnout. Bush beat Kerry 7-2, an exact flip-flop of what was expected.

In county after county in Florida huge turnouts were recorded and the expected numbers in heavily Democratioc counties mysterously went Republican in the same ratios that they normally go Democratic.

In Democratic county after county, turnout by registered Dems was supposedly way down, while turnout by Republicans was 2, 3, 4 or more times higher than the number of Republicans in the county.
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

In county after county Republicans supposedly showed up in numbers that are 2, 3, 4 times the number of registered Republicans living in the county (predominantly Dem counties) while Dem turnout was supposedly down. How could you expect a 77% turnout in a predominantly Dem county (7-1 Dem over Rep) and yet have Bush win that county by 8-1 and have turnout by Democrats be down?

FDR didn't trounce Hoover this badly. Reagan didn't flip counties that much against Mondale. LBJ didn't against Goldwater. That is just not plausible.

I have never heard of a Democratic county getting 70-80% turnout and going Republican at all, let alone 5-1, 7-1, 8-1 Republican.

Could it be that we are focusing on Ohio, and on Diebold, and they stole it in Florida with the non-Diebold machines? That would be clever.


Analysis Of Exit Polls Vs. Supposed Ballot Counts
Method

Grab one site which lists the exit polls before they were "corrected.?

(Correction is the procedure by which the exit polls are retrofitted to match the figures provided by the vote counting machines. It is easily done by changing the exit poll results, such as the 2.00 a.m. flip-flop of the Nevada exit poll scores which was done without any change to the sample size. A slightly less obvious sleight of hand is to alter the weighting. Weighting is the name for a multiplier used to correct sample subgroups to match the proportions in the whole of a state population. Thus an exit poll can be ?orrected?by saying something to the effect,

?h well, the vote results show we must have under sampled Republicans and therefore we?l multiply that subgroup of the exit poll sample by 1.5 to make our results fit the figures the ballot counting machines are spitting out.?/i>)

Here is one list as an example of raw (pre-correction) exit poll data:

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=386

[Note another list was published on Scoop.co.nz HERE - Scoop editor]

Then take a look at the results by state, such as on this chart:

http://news.yahoo.com/electionresults

There is a bit of math involved but don't worry, I taught market research at a University - a place where Republicans fear to tread, according to the media? own polls! The Bush people argue that the exit polls are skewed by the methodology employed. It is odd that they don? say what that error producing part of the methodology might be. A skew means a systematic error is introduced by the test protocol and causes a consistent shift in one direction.

IF this was true, then all the exit polls would show the same sort of shift from 'actual' results.

The GOP offer an alternative argument that the exit polls are not large enough samples and therefore the results are off by a large random error.

IF this was true, then the exit polls should scatter on either side of the actual result, especially if the final result is close to 50/50.

So what do we actually see when comparing exit polls with actual results?

There is skew - but ONLY in states which the Republicans had previously stated to be target states in play. The skew is in the same direction every time; that is to say in favor of Bush.

The exit poll results are not scattered about the mean as the alternative theory predicts.

They are all on the Kerry side of the vote counts as issued by the states except for a hand full of states which hit amazingly close to the exit poll figures.

Here are the figures. They list the four contemporaneous and uncorrected exit polls. Kerry is listed first and Bush second in each pair of figures. Published = the figure presented as the vote count as of 10.00 a.m. EST on 11/3/04


Arizona
Poll one 45-55 Final 45-55 Published 44-55
Colorado
Poll one 48-51 2nd 48-50 3rd 46-53 Published 46-53

Louisiana
Poll one 42-57 Final 43-56 Published 42-57

Michigan
Poll one 51-48 Published 51-48 Published 51-48

Iowa
Poll one 49-49 3rd 50-48 Final 49-49 Published 49-50

New Mexico
Poll one 50-48 2nd 50-48 3rd 50-48 Final 50-49 Published 49-50

Maine 3rd poll 55-44 Published 53-45

Nevada:
3rd poll 48-49 Published 48-51

Arkansas:
3rd poll 45-54 Published 45-54

Missouri
Final 46-54 Published 46-53

These tracking polls were right where you would expect them to be and within the margin of error. However, if we look at some other states, the figures are beyond curious. either the exit polls were wrong or the vote count is wrong:


Wisconsin
Poll one 52-48 3rd 51-46 Final 52-47 Published 50-49
Pennsylvannia
Poll one 60-40 3rd 54-45 Final 53-46 Published 51-49

Ohio
Poll one 52-48 2nd 50-49 3rd 50-49 Final 51-49 Published 49-51

Florida
Poll one 51-48 2nd 50-49 3rd 50-49 Final 51-49 Published 47-52

Minnesota
Poll one 58-40 3rd 58-40 Final 54-44 Published 51-48

New Hampshire
Poll one 57-41 3rd 58-41 Published 50-49

North Carolina
Poll one 3rd 49-51 Final 48-52 Published 43-56

Taking the figures and measuring the size and direction of the poll to supposed vote count discrepancy, we find the variance between the exit poll and the final result:


Wisconsin
Bush plus 4%
Pennnsylvannia
Bush plus 5%

Ohio
Bush plus 4%

Florida
Bush plus 7%

Minnesota
Bush plus 7%

New Hampshire
Bush plus 15%

North Carolina'
Bush plus 9%

In summary our election results appear to have been tampered with to give Bush some unearned electoral votes.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm


The people have a right to free and honest elections. Democracy will not work if people do not have confidence in this. The burden of proof is not on us, it is on the elections officials.

We need to get as many people on board as possible to demand a complete and thorough investigation into this election.

This is the place and the time to take a stand and this is the issue.

"Prove that the election was rigged" is a Nazi position. In a free and open society we have the right to demand that it wasn't rigged. An absolute right.

this is a compilation from myself and a group of Non Partisan, Patriots who See this as more than Alarming. Are we the only ones???

Feel free to pass on. Feel even More free to e mail me back with any comments.
Sincerely and sincerely concerned,
Joni A. LeViness   myths16@cox.net
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BG
thinkcivic@aol.com