Fw: Carol's essays

Thank you, Bob, Your work is sooo valuable. In Christ, Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: "bowman2000"
To: "'carol wolman'" ; "'peacemakers'"

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: Carol's essays

Friends,

I'm not sure if you have received my essay "Toward A Jesus Society." It is
very much related to what Carol writes about. It is an attempt to reach out
to "Christians" who voted for G.W. Bush and to convince them that they have
been following the Pharisees, not Jesus. I'm NOT saying that Christians
should run society. I am saying that they are already trying, and they are
succeeding, but going in the wrong direction. If Christians are going to
try to shape society according to their faith, then they had by God better
shape their faith according to the real Jesus, not the vindictive God of
Leviticus. Anyway, my article is attached. Your comments are welcome.

Bob Bowman

-----Original Message-----
From: carol wolman [mailto:cwolman@mcn.org]
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:04 PM
To: peacemakers
Subject: Fw: Carol's essays

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Cooney"
To: "laura holtan" ; "carol wolman"

Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Carol's essays

> Laura, it's fine with me if people have "beliefs." They can worship the
> monkey god while singing Mary Had A Little Lamb backwards, for all I
> care. But when a certain line is transgressed, it's no longer an issue
> of live and let live.
>
> There's a political movement afoot today in this country, and its aim is
> to gradually replace "democracy" as we know it with "biblical law." It's
> called "Christian Reconstructionism." It's real, and they are deadly
> earnest. Don't just take my word for it--do a bit of research and you'll
> find out how real it is. Unfortunately, the politics of corporate greed,
> power and plunder overlap conveniently with the grim theology of the
> Reconstructionists, and an unholy alliance has been formed, each finding
> advantage in assisting the advancement of the other. In the person of
> George W. Bush, theology and corporatism have merged and are
> indistinguishable from one another, producing a truly dangerous hybrid.
> Do you want to live in a theocracy? I don't. Do you want to live in a
> theocracy where the wealthy elite rule, and people are their disposable
> slaves? I don't. Do you want to live in a world where logic, independent
> thought and education are slowly eradicated, where people accept the
> idea that the planet earth is a throwaway chunk of dirt? I don't. Wake
> up and smell the sulfur: You may find it hard to believe, but there are
> legions of people who actually hope for Armageddon, because they believe
> that they'll all be airlifted to heaven. This suits the corporate
> greedheads just fine--it gives them unbridled license to plunder. Who
> loses? You and I and every other living thing. This is why Carol's tone
> is urgent, and yes, sometimes angry. This is an emergency. We don't have
> the luxury of being nicey-nicey.
>
> E.C.
>
>
>
> laura holtan wrote:
>
> >Thank you for your reply. I think this dialouge is
> >great. I also agree that Carol is writing with
> >positive intentions, but I do feel that sometimes it
> >comes out negatively. Also, while I think it is true
> >that she mainly bashes Bush, she also bashes those who
> >are not similarly minded at times, which makes me
> >uncomfortable. I could send you cited examples if you
> >like, but I think that might perpetuate a "bashing of
> >Carol" which is not my intention at all. Again, I know
> >that Carol is ultimately writing out of love for
> >humanity, I just think that humanity includes Bush,
> >the Rapture followers, and mainstream America.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Laura
> >-- Eleanor Cooney wrote:
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------
> > Dear Laura--
> >
> >I implore you to read Carol's words more closely. She
> >never "bashes"anyone but the big bad guys (Bush & Co.)
> >who are manipulatingpeople's fear and faith for truly
> >nefarious purposes.
> >
> >Best,
> >E.C.
> >
> >
> >
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Fw: Fw: Carol's essays- great discussion!

Here's Maggie's experience of the battle of Armageddon, warmongers vs. peacemakers, as of 27 years ago.   In Christ, Carol

----- Original Message -----

From: Whynhema@aol.com

To: cwolman@mcn.org

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:58 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Carol's essays

In a message dated 5/1/2005 2:03:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, cwolman@mcn.org writes:

    You may find it hard to believe, but there are legions of people who         actually hope for Armageddon, because they believe that they'll all         be airlifted to heaven.  (From Eleanor Cooney)

 

I can verify that this statement is absolutely true since it was taught to me twenty-seven years ago.  When I was discussing the then Iranian Crisis which was threatening to lead us into WW III, my RRR companions were insisting that war was the only answer, that God had ordained this war must happen, than only Satan wanted peace without war.

 

I commented to the effect that our faith should be strong enough to bring about peace without war to which one of my companions - a pastor - replied, "Faith is fine but a gun is better."

 

When I said I was praying for peace without war, the response was immediate: "Well you are doing the devil's work and you will go to Hell."

 

Peace,
Maggie